Excellence Is the Capacity To Take Pain | Travis Kalanick, Founder of Uber
Aug 16, 2026 · 1:48:55
Travis Kalanick, founder of Uber and now Atoms, tells David Senra why he is drawn to impossibly hard problems. He recounts Uber's China war against Didi, saying he convinced regulators that progress must be in harmony with stability, and explains his fundraising auction process—starting low, running multiple rooms, building demand curves—versus Benchmark's 'war room' against him. Kalanick also describes running Uber with a 'starve next week' intensity after years of no salary at Red Swoosh, and his management philosophy: fewest possible rules, like mandatory pricing calls before launching cities. His current company, Atoms, applies that to specialized robotics for food, mining, and transport, aiming to digitize the physical world one industry at a time.
